Whats the deal with power stance?

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Is it power stance lying?

  1. Youre crazy,stance works perfectly

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  2. Power SCAMste

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  1. Relmy
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    Ok. Ill start by saying this isnt a buff thread or me asking to buff power stance to 100%,wich i think is arguable,but like i said this isnt the point here.

    The actual point is that ive joking about "power scamste" for a while,but it seems like an actual issue....Theres some boss skills that cant be stanced? Is it bugged? It suposed to be like this?.
    If you ask me i actually feel a 65% stance or around and and not even close to 90%......what do you think?, And to Devs...is suposed to be like this?
     
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    I do daily pap on my hero for NX and yesterday I got knocked back 3 times in a row... I stand on the top left mini platform to avoid dispel. 90% stance means knockback is 10% chance. So why can't I land 3 10% scrolls in a row :confused:
     
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    I don't experience an issue. If you record the run and count every single time you take a hit the numbers will add up accurately. Most don't pay attention to how often they're actually being hit, though, which is what creates this misconception - you usually only recognize when stance fails opposed to when it works.
     
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    Thats why i tooked so long to say this out loud...ive counted kb per hit (counted just to 100 tbh) in my last 3 ht runs thats why i say 65%...i fell 36 times of 100 1st run. 32 and 30 respectively...i tought it wss just bad luck, but watching recent videos....im starting to sense something suspicious...
     
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    It's always possible, don't get me wrong, but I don't think that this is the case at all.

    Don't count live, record the entire run (multiple of them) and re-watch the entire thing to count each individual hit accurately. Get a large sample size. It's just like how some people will "fail 20 30% in a row, no waii!" - if those same people did 10,000 30% scrolls the numbers would add up to a (near) 30% pass rate, small sample sizes = skewed data.
     
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    Youre right...but i think that a single run with over 700 hits would be enough dont you think?
     
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    I do not, but if I am being honest the juice just ain't worth the squeeze on this one. If this is something a lot of players genuinely feel concerned about the staff will acknowledge the thread and do some testing on their own (if needed), and it'll likely be a lot a. more efficient (faster) and b. reliable (no offense intended, they'd have multiple people). Wait it out brotherin'
     
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    I feel like sometimes the stance just decide to not work 4 times in a row, it may be RNG, but holy shit, its annoying.
    I honestly would like if the skill just didnt allow you to get more than 1 knockback hit in a row.
     
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    It's like when you're in school and you recall more on the exams you did poorly on than the exams you did well on.

    In my opinion, one run is not enough. You probably just got really unlucky. A simulation of, a bare minimum, 1000 runs should give a more accurate depiction. If you think about it, having power stance work 90% of the time in a run only exists when all the stars align. Each hit you receive is determined independently, from another, on whether power stance is successful or not. In other words, the success rate of power stance on the next attack you receive does not take into consideration what happened the previous 1000 hits.

    Don't confuse expected with reality. You have a fair quarter and the odds of landing on heads or tails is 50%. You're asked to guess how many times it'll land on heads if you toss it 10000 times. You expect it to land on heads 5000 times but the reality of it landing on heads 5000 times is not as likely as you would think. The chances of it landing on heads exactly 5000 times is 0.8%
     
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    sometimes it work 20 hit in a row without get hit once.
    soemtimes it screw with your soul and get you kicked off 4-8 times in a row..

    it has mind of its own and always BUT always! murphy law kicks in for a visit.
     
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    lol I don't think he's asking for it to work EXACTLY 90% of the time because of course probability will dictate that its not going to be the case, but rather for it to be pretty close. But to argue against the need for an extremely large sample size, we should be expecting to see runs where the percentage is higher than the stated 90% no? After all there's no reason for probability to ONLY cause poorer than expected results. I'm no statistician but if we have like a sample of 50 ht runs where the occurrence rate of stance failing is significantly greater than 10% with none lower than it, it should be sufficiently conclusive proof that the mean value lies lower than the stated 10% right?
     
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    You're right, we should expect to see some runs where power stance is successful over 90% of the time. I know he wasn't trying to say it should work 90%. Whether its 90%, 50% or 21.50195021590%, that's beside the point. It could very well be bugged. My point was three runs is not enough to conclusively say this ability is bugged. I'm not a statistician by any means either but even I feel like a sample run of 50 runs is too low, but what do I know.
     
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    Im absolutely aware that :

    1. Stance works giving a "90%" chance of not getting kb every single hit u get...so u can stay at your position for 30 hits in a row or either gettong knockbacked 30 tines in a row aswell .

    2.And also im awate that u get stromger memories of bad experiences(in this case getting kb) that neutral ones(bcs is not like we scream yahooo every single time stance activates)

    But that being said and since im not that great with stadistics.... I would like to ask something to someone who actually is please:

    Lets say we get hited 1 time time every 2 secs on avrg =30 times a minute

    If a zak runs takes 20 mins and an Ht one takes 1 hour (600hits and 1800 respec.)

    What are the actual chances of getting kb less than 10 times at those runs?..or even not getting kb at all?....and 8f theres a remote chance....theres any warrior that habe experienced that? A not kb run?(wich im shure that if happened u will remember foreva)
     
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    It is what it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    after doing some reading on the central limit theorem, it seems that 30 runs should be a sufficient sample size for statistical tests. I'm thinking if we actually would like to test this out, the z-test would be most appropriate, but we lack the standard deviation for the population mean in order to accurately perform the test, not to mention the distribution curve may or may not be normal for stance
     
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    I know! And i love that!.
    I just wsnt someone to confirm that everything is ok, and im just having bad luck(like always).
    But lately ive running with many warriors ,and trying to record myself for some things, and ive noticed that were all having a real bad luck.....
    idm that dark scrolls are bombs in my hands(well i mind,but......shut up) just the fact that someone can land 3 or 4 in a row shows me the chances are working....and despite this has alrdy like 100 views and 40 votes...i havent seen a single comment of "ive had a few runs with no or barely get kb"...ill repeat, i just want a check or confirmation...not a buff

    You see? Theres many questions there...and not a single suggestion..
     
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    Not all bosses have same frequency of attack. HT and pap attack dk much more often than say zak or krex, which will kb you more as a result. Very seldom do I get kb during zak/krex with stance because they just don't attack me as often.

    I think it is bad luck but I will look at one of my HT video later to see for myself too ^_^'!
     
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    Wait WHAT?? You guys have stance in HT?
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    8 months have passed... over 200 more runs of powerscamste...no single run of 90%+ actually stance...
     
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