To Entitled Playerbase

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    What a community. Where people run rampant with their entitled nonsense, demanding more and more from GMs. You people forget that our staff has a life outside of MapleRoyals and are working VOLUNTARILY. You accuse a staff being sarcastic and "unprofessional" while I know for a fact, that's not the case. Kai has been a subject of much ridicule and criticism that it's funny. You try to demerit the same person that's ridding our community of hackers, vote abusers, rwters and more. To put this into perspective, we're not under a rule of where Americans have their law to put into standard. This is an online game and the staff can mimic this, but they can alter it as they wish. They gave so much freedom to the community when they could've had it otherwise. Now I see an entitled playerbase who's demanding change and reforms for their own selfish needs. In my perspective, you seem like the people who make a big drama mess out of everything and when you're not getting your way, you demand to "see their manager." Stop acting like spoiled brats, and start thinking outside of your shell.
     
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    Excuse me, I need to speak with your guild manager right away >:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(>:(
     
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    Who is the forum manager? I don't like this post.
     
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    No clue, probably some idiot.
     
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    Hey person Idk you are male or female.. Look we are just giving feedback to this two musketeers K and M also at first E our forum MOD was part of the musketeers, but he has tone down and improve his way of dealing with people.

    You see, you guys are being biased only support the same people.. Be a genuine person who doesn't side anyone..

    Half of the community talk about him, it's not 1 or 2 people.. So yea, if he has Real life work then focus on that, we all know they are all volunteers worker, but first and for most those people choose to volunteer, they can make a choice not to volunteer in the beginning and not cause drama..

    If you say he needs to catch hackers and etc then focus on that not flame people on ban appeal thread, giving uncessary warning points, which @Sof was dealing that thread, and he (K) came and interfere..

    I mean how would you say half a community being selfish for talking about him?
     
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    to me this seems a bit hypocritical
    after all, (if youre on the side against GMs), essentially youre siding with the people that hate on GMs

    where are you getting this number? this is a bit biased because only those who have strong opinions on the forums talk about him
    i think only the vocal few who hate a certain GM talk about him

    so the fact that someone has a life outside of being a GM means they shouldnt be a GM? that they should dedicate their time solely to being a GM?

    thats his job as a GM though--catching hackers and handling ban appeals
     
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    I may be biased, but I browse the forums reading a lot of threads. People are cherry picking what threads to use against their staff (Kai in particular) and use that like as their one true savior. It's just law of large numbers. Of course there will be some "unprofessional" ones but for the most part Kai has done a great job maintaining order. Anyone can dig up evidence of someone being unprofessional if they look hard enough and I find it ridiculous that people are making it like GMs have to adhere to the perfect upstanding person. People are people and the staff of our Mapleroyals community are one of the greatest support teams out there.
     
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    I think GMs mixing a little bit of their personality while doing their professional duty representing the staff is actually fine. Take a step back and realise that if you expect the GMs to handle things with pure professionalism without some form of informality, you're just going to end up with a bunch of robots. The forum will have no flavour. You're not the one getting banned, so why bother what's happening with someone who's getting banned? Why bother how the GMs handle the ban appeals? You're just a spectator. Let them perform their duties. If you'd like to prove otherwise, go apply yourselves and show us what you're capable of.
     
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    Firstly as you stated, I don't hate GMs, I only hate this 3 musketeers of it K who especially love to flame people, 2 giving out uncessary warning points.. Which I got my justification that I shouldn't had to get a warning point..

    Second as you stated, I'm saying half of the community had complain about him? Meaning he had a problem, gril? If a company received many complaints from customers of a staff not performing well? Should the company do something about it or just give immunity to protect him?

    Third I didn't say he couldnt be GM, did I? I say they made a choice to take up then do it well. No one force anyone to be a GMs, and if you can't handle your life and work stress don't freaking pour it out towards other people, with by flaming people.. Weak emotions..

    Forth, yes i say that, do I have to repeat it?
     
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    Just going to quash this now since it keeps coming up, you deserved the points- and you weren't the only person in the thread to have their post deleted and points issued.
     
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    @carrot are you done?

    Your posts from the first thread till now has been mainly revolving around the warning points. Perhaps you should also do some reflection and think about what you've done/said to warrent those points. If you still think its unfair, then make an appeal about it instead of bitching about it in every post.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if you are expecting instant changes, not gonna happen mate. If you were in his shoes, are you telling me you can change your communication style just like that? I don't think so. Furthermore, Kai has already acknowledged the issue and stated his action plan on it, did you not see it?

    Also, with regards to your point of "K who especially love to flame people", I don't see him starting any threads to flame anyone. If you do see those posts, do let me know.

    What on earth are you on? Is there a criteria for staff that they cannot have any other real life commitments and must only focus on their duties for the server? If you are capable and don't have real life work to focus on (for the indefinite time you are on the staff team), feel free to join the staff team.
     
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    my point is you have hatred towards a GM
    it doesn't matter who or how many, thats not my point
    in my eyes you are only targeting him because you have a personal vendetta against kai because of some thing that happened to you in the past, which according to @Evan was completely justified

    yeah people are complaining about him, and things are being done about him
    matt said it himself: "Kai has since been spoken to about improving the way he responds in messages" in this thread https://mapleroyals.com/forum/threads/to-kai.132504/
    additionally people are complaining about him because they have, in some way, been affected by his actions

    which segways quite nicely into my next point: you're accusing a GM for "weak emotions" when you yourself are getting affected by your own emotions
    it's clear that you don't like GMs due to your own emotions when you got a warning point

    additionally, i hate to be a broken record but the GMs are human just like you and me
    we all have emotional baggage and stress
     
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    I mean.. looks like you're the one going after Kai (with unsubstantiated claims)(and upset he didn't ban someone you didn't like.)- in the real world that's defamation of character which is illegal thus I don't think the "consequences" is completely unwarranted.

    Not that it needs to be said but for complete transparency- Kai wouldn't just ban you for that, that would result (if it happened) after he consulted with the rest of staff and evidence (aka chatlogs) was reviewed.

    Edit: I'm sorry, so this wasn't you? Well- I guess what I said still applies though.

    Edit 2.0: If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to ask Tim to look into the logs- that way there's nothing left out.
     
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    I'm just taking this SS of example of how K is like and would deal with player who asking for help that moment when asking a help from GM, he as a GM ignore helping the player and at the end of the sentence stating that there is a serious consequences for accusing him? What kind of GM would state that to a player? And the text wasnt accusing anything bad too..
    I'm telling this to @HarGao is defending him..

    And i don't mind @Tim to check and deal the issues.. But it wasn't belong to me this SS..
     
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    In professions of service it's important to acknowledge what has happened, recognise emotions of clients (be it frustration, anger or what have you) but not admit fault as this invariably further escalates situations that are destined to be unfruitful.

    As such, from what I can tell, staff who have spoken over the past few days have done a fantastic job de-escalating recent events.

    I don't really see a purpose to this thread besides further complicating the drama that I thought was already resolving, regardless of the opinion that you hold. Matt closed the most recent thread about this with the purpose of closure and I think we should try to appreciate that effort.

    I'd like to take a moment to thank all staff who have been working voluntarily and tirelessly with the aim of keeping this server a fun, friendly and respectful place.
     
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    Seems like a good idea to me- If OP would like it re-opened they can PM me but it seems like we reached a somewhat amicable end to this so before it takes another turn lol... I'll be closing.
     
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