Notice GM Blog: September 2020

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  1. GermanKiddo
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    No, I never said I want them to go through that shit as well. I said, its understandable that GMs are looking for a way to make this server more new-players-friendly and give them access to all the mid-late game contents. I totally agree with that, but in my opinion its not fair for those who did it the old way.
     
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    Just wondering will there be more information released soon or before the actual updates?

    If this update is gonna be a game changing one, like the new players(any class) can reach 10k hp withou APR washing, then the demand of apr will dramatically fall. Assuming that the new method does not involve spending NX, then the only reason to spend NX is gachapon. This will collapse the current economy, I think we need time to prepare for that.

    Also, will the new system treating range/melee class seperately like the hp quest? If its not, it may just motivates more people playing range class, and inflates their gears even more.
     
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    But there's no need to wash till 30k?

    Those who did it are just too rich lol
     
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    Hello, I've changed my expression many times while reading this news.

    That's because I'm looking forward to it, but I'm worried. I don't know about other issues, but hp wash(including mp wash) is a pretty sensitive issue.Even at a level of 200, some jobs can die if they are damaged three to four times in front of the same level monsters and boss monsters without washing. Therefore, I think positively about the idea of 'New Way to Gain HP' for users who are thinking of washing and new users.

    But I don't think we should break the equity, even though this could create a sensation. We can fully find the reason in the change after the Big Bang patch in 2009. Over a long period of time, countless users have been washing their washes, and they are well-known not only for their wash methods, but also for their damage to the boss monster and for their proper hp to survive. There is no 30k among them.

    You mentioned proud as you achieved hp of 30k, which happens because it doesn't change. If max hp and mp cap is released or anyone can do it, its value disappears.

    @Kai
    Personally I feel those who have been able to achieve high HP because they're well funded should be proud of the ways they did it.


    Personally, I've tried to hit 30k, but I've never thought about New Ways to Gain HP like I do now. So for now, I can't think of anything other than what they said.

    @Vector Ho
    he alternative ways to gain HP aim to new players or high level unwashed characters to get the minimum HP for some common bosses like Horntail.

    @GermanKiddo
    Maybe make that people can decide either they get "x" amount of hp or "y" fresh ap to put into stats (LUK/DEX/STR/INT)
    I dont even know if its possible/realistic doing something like this :/ maybe some quests where u can decide the reward and pick between these ^ like 500hp or 5ap
    Or a ring that u can scroll either with hp scrolls/stats scroll (obtainable from quests)


    It may be a sad for a user who has already finished washing, but it is necessary, so I hope the GM balance it as they have done so far.
     
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    Amazing, love the transparency. But of all things on the agenda, i think the most important one would be a good auto-ban system.
    Or at the very least, a better way for us to report hackers, perhaps through some in-game command that notifies GMs.

    Report abuse section is simply not good enough, hackers often continue to roll for days after a report.
    It is getting a little bit outrageous when i'm leveling fame mules and on practically every channel mobs are in one place.
     
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    And more important...why these changes would affect them negatively?...is like our parents(grandparents in case ure really young) screaming : "Hey! This kids have internet to learn , we didnt have it back then! ,It took us twice as much time to learn the same shit...We want a time refund!"
     
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    If thats the case..dw about them...i think most of them know that they spended that money in a unnecesary luxury, just to fullfil a goal...wich is ok...is like those who spend extra billions on purple/gold tags in their items..they know that dont actually change anything....we just like how it looks...same with hp

    On the other hand...i hardly think that new methods help new players to make any more than 4-5k hp tops(i wouldnt be suprised if its just 3k extra, or maybe Even less) thats...1 or 2b saved out of 20?
    And i repeat theyre not just trowing away these item/scrolls for hp..im shure these are goong to be behind quest that gonna be time/effort consuming just like the time to make the billions to wash...so nothing to ask back...or ,if these ppl want a refund theyre forced to do the new quest
     
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    Personal Finance 101: Whenever you invest your resources and effort into something, know that the value of such investments will never remain the same. I don't know why y'all are so pressed about having had to spend all this money HP washing when that same line of thought can be applied to any change in this server. Is it unfair for Marksmen to get buffs when so many players had invested the extra resources to create a Bowmaster instead? Is it unfair for Mana Bull prices to skyrocket when so many players had invested in Arch Mages to amass wealth? Most of all, is it unfair for Chair Gacha to be released without notice when so many players had invested their entire net worth into fancy rare chairs?

    On a purely theoretical level, sure. But the point is that this is the nature of video games, the nature of... life itself. And while I totally understand how it may suck to be the one receiving the short end of the stick in a change such as this, it is ultimately meant to improve the health of the server as a whole and make this game equitable for all players. I mean, imagine being one of the many suckers that invested thousands of dollars into HP washing in GMS only for them to completely nuke the servers afterwards and restart all of your progress.

    Lastly, a friendly reminder that changes such as this benefit everyone--period. Even if you are a veteran player who had washed the traditional way, this could be an opportunity you to gain additional HP on either your current characters or your future characters with just as minimal of a hassle that a new player can enjoy this feature. It's not as if any of your current progress is removed, everyone has the same exact opportunity to benefit from this change moving forward.

    Your complaints about the lack of "fairness" in such change is really only a testament to how cancerous the HP washing meta has become in this server. Rejecting positive change and social progress just because you want others to suffer as you had is not only poor logic, it's a poor life attitude.
     
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    Without spilling any beans, I hope you guys really don’t think we would just add something that will give you 30k hp for free within a week or something.

    If you think it’s unfair for people to not have to go through this scenario:

    This makes you selfish. The “I suffered through it so everyone else had to as well” mentality is wrong and will only lead this server to failure.

    Bottom line is, you still got your money’s worth. So many people bossed HT without HB, did Toad on a ranged char, Shao’d daily without HB, completed all of neo-tokyo, etc. their efforts didn’t just go to waste. They worked towards this and they were rewarded for it, they shouldn’t expect anything more in return.

    You might argue “what about the players that just recently washed to high HP amounts and this update just rolls around making their efforts obsolete”. Well, again, without spilling the beans, it’s not like we want to allow everyone to reach 30k without working for it, this is just an alternative to traditional HP washing.

    This is the right way forward for the future of the server. Regardless of how your experience was in the past, do you really think it’s okay for a casual player to invest weeks getting their character to third job only to get told by the community that he has to restart?
     
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    A few things I would like to communicate as suggestions:

    • CPQ(1/2) should have locked spawn points as you summon. My greatest difficulty, specifically with CPQ2, is the exp gain is very inconsistent since the spawn locations are random. It would be nice (and efficient) if the slots filled on the top platforms were prioritized over the bottom spawn points. CPQ1 is a little less necessary as it's on one platform but it would be nice to allow a specific grouping to prioritize on the left or right side.
    • Stance 100%, I still haven't seen an explanation as to why we want the 90% but it would give warriors a slight buff without actually affecting the DPS chart order at all. I think I read something about making botting easier, but if a player is botting they most likely are using a cheat that makes them unhittable/100% stance anyway.
    • Review the exp evolution stones that stop characters from gaining experience. I would like them to be tradable or at least their price be reviewed. The later ones cost 2 days worth of voting, I understand this would encourage mule meta more, but it makes it difficult when you have to vote between your ID's, QOL change.
    • Loot table for bosses, another user posted a great way for this to be implemented: https://mapleroyals.com/forum/threads/add-player-loot-notification-for-bosses.164288/ I feel this is a necessary change for the direction of wher mapleroyals is going since it's become so boss oriented.
    • EXP buff for scarra/targa, nothing insane but I feel it should give as much EXP as zakum+arms, maybe a little more as it does take a little more time.
     
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    Anyone commenting (or complaining) about the hp washing scenario should thoroughly read this. I /could not/ have said it any better myself.

    That being said, I'm curious to see how the economy will be affected, namely APR prices. Excited!
     
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    :'(is there any plan buff a bit poor and lonely sair..we slow and tired..give us a teambuff plz...

    or give us a stance when on ship??:love:

    corsair #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Although this CPQ suggestion does sound logical in terms of trade win or no-stuns pure killing, it would be destroying the core identity of Monster Carnival

    Cause CPQ is originally designed by Nexon to be competitive, so the mobs spawn aren't supposed to be predictable
     
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    I don't know why some ppl are complaining about the unfairness of washing extra prior to these additions but there is a drawback for one class in royals that may challenge the overall fairness of this update.

    The last straw held by Drks against the crippled, inconvenient playstyle was the crucial HB buff that was considered a must to sustain the unwashed party members in end game boss scenes.

    Currently available methods of extra HP gains already provide enough HP for newbies to tackle end game bosses with HB, provided enough effort is poured in.

    This post illustrates at least 3 new ways to gain extra HP.

    1. An unknown, new system to gain HP
    2. More HP from collector Medal
    3. Pet scrolls for HP

    Assuming they won't be petty with the additions, I guess a substantial amount will be added in total. It seems the staff is willing to accommodate the convenience request made by the majority of the player base, based on the above announcement. This is wonderful news for newbies but what does this imply?

    In my eyes, enjoying the game "in an uninterrupted manner" can only be translated as the deletion of the HB requirement. If they were to increase the threshold for HP gain to fit the min HP requirement of end game bosses WITH HB, this update wasn't even necessary since the prior updates already covered them. I might have misinterpreted the message completely (I hope this is the case) but if HB loses its nostalgic purpose, there's no more standing ground for the Dark Knights. If this is the case, I hope staff will revisit Drk buff ideas in order to accommodate the shifting meta.

    Aaaand just extra note...probably a rant and a half (not directed at you Gert)
    This trend was created and encouraged by a horde of cheaters that include vote abusers and RWTers. If vote abuse was regulated more often and in a systematic manner, there won't be enough AP resets to supply so much insane washing for the community to regard it as a norm. Current royals is widely known as vote 2 win instead of P2W.

    If hackers were stopped with every priority set on autoban since the onset of the new source, there won't be so many insanely HP Washed end game characters, owned by newbies, to look down on unwashed players.

    I personally think Matt's original, nostalgic blueprint provided the most durability for the server but the community's voice convinced him to shift his ideas, in a convenience-fitting direction. I truly appreciate the hard work from staff but this specific change feels like a mere bandage on a wound instead of a proper fix to the core problem. I know you guys are working really hard to please the community but I fear we might be accelerating toward the wrong direction in the bigger picture. We'll be able to tell once the patch arrives.
     
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    Meh.. i dont think is about being selfish here. First of all, as I already said it doesnt affect me directly. Of course the hp-wash system doesnt allow new players to enjoy the game.. but its like u are focusing on getting new players without caring about the old ones in my eyes.
    What about the economy? Ap resets price will go down, more nx in game --> more gacha --> more cs/ws --> the market drops. hmm i think u should take in consideration more aspects ^^
    But as I said, it doesnt affect me personally so ill just stop here this conversation! :)
    Have a nice day.
     
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    The good old ghost ship pq would be cool ~ ^^
     
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    There are things that we can and cannot talk about with the community, please keep in mind that these are the things we can discuss openly (to a degree) with everyone.
    We still need to have some things to work on under wraps, a "mystery" so to speak, so we can still continue to surprise you guys in the future! :)
    While we are aiming to head in a more transparent direction, you have to understand that some things couldn't be discussed here.

    Sidenote: I really like the Ghost Ship PQ idea.
     
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    Gracias por responder , si entiendo yo no llego a 2 años y entiendo muy bien el punto que me hablas, gracias por explicar.

    Sobre el punto 1 que mencionas... Que pasa si sacan pb? Yo hice esa exageración de wash porque como vos sabrás pink Bean pega 26 a 28k :s que es algo que por lo menos asusta.

    Pienso que no es idea/ dirección errónea porque algún día pode salir el pb siempre pienso eso hehehe

    En mi país decimos
    Nena prevenida vale x2

    Igual gracias por tu explicación :D !
     
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    This is an illogical sequence of events and more importantly, you're relying on multiple assumptions when we don't even know the details of how this alternative washing method will actually work. Neither buffing the amount of HP gained per job advancement nor introducing the HP quest reduce the prices of AP Resets, which have inflated in triple-digit percentages in the span of just two years. And arguing that "the market drops" is a nonsensical conclusion--as in, it literally makes no sense. What does that even mean, the market drops? If you mean prices of items will deflate I'm sure that will be welcomed by the majority of the community (veterans and newbies alike) who have had to suffer through years of hyperinflation, many of whom now find themselves unable to access end-game gear.
     
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    Don't worry man, as long as there are people want that sweetie 30k HP (including me lol), APR is still hot.

    Also, I think it benefits old players too. They can make new characters without worrying about going through the painful way of HP washing as they experienced ~f17

    New char, new experience >> make them stay :)
     
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