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DPS: Assassinate vs Assassinate&Boomerang Step Combo

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    Hey,

    does anybody have the new formula's for Assassinate & Boomerang step with their cast times?
    I'd like to see if

    Assassinate is stronger 1v1
    Assassinate + Boomerang Step is stronger 1v1
    or if Assassinate + Boomerang Step with SE is stronger 1v1

    Thank you in advance
     
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    Savage blow best DPS ~f8
     
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    Assassinate 30 is 1.62s
    with SE
    (950%*0.85*DMG_RANGE_NO_CRIT+1090%*0.15*DMG_RANGE_W_CRIT)*3
    without SE
    (950%*DMG_RANGE_NO_CRIT)*3

    bstep 30 is 0.69s
    with SE
    (600%*0.85*DMG_RANGE_NO_CRIT+740%*0.15*DMG_RANGE_W_CRIT)*2
    without SE
    (600%*DMG_RANGE_NO_CRIT)*2

    Assassinate + bstep is 2.31s
     
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    @Tim

    Can you please give me the dmg range calculation formula for Shadowers? I want to know how much impact Strength has compared to Luk.

    Thank you very much in advance! 0:)
     
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    MAX RANGE (LUK*3.6+STR+DEX*WATK)/100
    MIN RANGE (LUK*3.6*0.9*0.6+STR+DEX*WATK)/100

    so for example if you're a shadower with a 140 atk dagger, 36 atk d kanjar 15 atk shoes, 15 atk cape, 20 atk gloves, 3 atk medal, 1 atk ring and are using an onyx apple while having the following total stats after MW: LUK 1258, DEX 159, STR 75 you would get:

    MAX RANGE (1258*3.6+75+159*330)/100 = 15717 (NO ECHO)
    MIN RANGE (1258*3.6*0.9*0.6+75+159*330)/100 = 8842 (NO ECHO)
     
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    Thank you @Tim

    Also how is Dagger Mastery affecting the dmg range?
    How does Echo affect the dmg range?


    I wanted to see how much impact Str has compared to Luk on the dmg range, thus if it's worth not only upgrading Luk & wa, but str aswell. (e.G 6Str,6Luk Alchemist Ring, instead of "only" 6 Luk)
    Since Str has a factor of 1 and Luk has a factor of 3.6, it's a nice bonus to gain Str from equips aswell, but not as much of a benefit worth investing massive amounts of resources.
    So 1 str = 0.27 Luk
    So 4 str ~ 1.1 Luk
    So 6 Str ~ 1.66 Luk

    Also we can see that the min range is 50%~60% of the Max Range, which is nice to know haha. (Atleast for a regular Luk and only as much Str & Dex needed for Gear - Shadowers )



    Thank you for your lightning fast response :3
     
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    Soooo, ass 30 is stronger 1v1?
     
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    I have these values for my 6.6k clean range (No Attack potion just Mw10).
    I didn't account the 4th hit of Asssassinate as i barely use it apart from repositioning.

    116111 DPS Assa30 No SE
    114782 DPS Bstep 30 No SE
    115446 DPS Combined No SE

    116111 DPS Assa30 with SE30
    118800 DPS Bstep 30 with SE30
    117455 DPS Combined with SE30

    So Assassinate is stronger 1v1 unless you have SE30, then Assa Bstep is stronger 1v1

    However as soon as you hit 2 Targets with Assassinate (1st Target) +Bstep Combo (1st Target + 2nd Target) Assa Bstep Combo is stronger, even without SE
     
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    Only Boomerang Step (no SE)

    Bstep vs 4 Zak Arms
    = 459130 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

    Bstep vs 3 Zak Arms
    = 344347 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

    Bstep vs 2 Zak Arms
    = 229565 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

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    Only Boomerang Step (with SE30)
    (6.6k clean range mw10, no att pot)


    Bstep vs 4 Zak Arms
    = 475200 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

    Bstep vs 3 Zak Arms
    = 356400 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

    Bstep vs 2 Zak Arms
    = 237600 DPS with ONLY boomerang Step

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    Assa+Boomerang Step (with SE30)
    (6.6k clean range mw10, no att pot)


    Assa+Bstep vs 4 Zak Arms
    = 281002 DPS with Assa & Bstep Combo

    Assa+Bstep vs 3 Zak Arms
    = 272250 DPS with Assa & Bstep Combo

    Assa+Bstep vs 2 Zak Arms
    = 212850 DPS with Assa & Bstep Combo

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    Conclusion: As soon as you hit 2 Main Targets or more you wanna use Bstep only (even without SE30 Bstep alone is stronger than Assa+Bstep+SE30)
    Main Targets are 2 Zak Arms / 2x HT Body Parts etc.
    Main Targets are not Zakum Body+spawned Mobs, as you want to kill Zakum and not grind off the mobs he spawns
     
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    Didn't Bstep have a delay between hits though? It means you can't spam it and even against multiple targets you'd have to use assa+bstep
     
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    I usually use band of thieves + boomerang step macro for 2-4 zak arms, not sure whether it makes a difference though but it feels a lil better :D
     
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    I think 0.69 seconds are the cast time for 1 Boomerang Step. so at second 0.00 until second 0.69 you cast Bstep and from second 0.6900000000000000001 you cast the 2nd Bstep. thus my calculations should be right, as the cast time wouldn't be 0.69 seconds otherwise but a different value.
     
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    Band of Thieves has 250% dmg x 5 Targets, most of the time you won't hit more than 3 Targets ( 3 Zak Arms ).
    If somebody could give me the cast time of BoT i could calculate the DPS with Bstep combined on 1-3 Main Targets

    Edit:
    You said on 4 Zak Arms, does it hit the 4 bottom Zakum Arms if standing correctly?
    Even then i think the iframes Bstep provides are more valueable, as repositioning takes time, reducing your DPS. so even if Bstep+BoT is slightly higher DPS than only Bstep, it would be lowered by alot from the time you have to move to your original position
     
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    the dagger mastery is 60% at their max level which is the red part in the min range formula (*0.6):
    MIN RANGE (1258*3.6*0.9*0.6+75+159*330)/100 = 8842 (NO ECHO)

    echo for shad = WATK*0.04 (always rounded down)
    so from our previous example of 230 atk in gears and a 100 atk apple you get 330*0.04=13.2 watk
    making it +13 WATK for your damage range calcs
     
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    When using Bstep+Assassinate, you can see your character going into darksight in the middle of bstep animation. Can someone confirm that this was also included for 2.31 seconds? I wasn't able to calculate my bsetp+assassinate dps mathmatically because of this reason. @FuminoAya @Tim

    Also, internet connection and stability of the server influences the speed of gap time between darksight and assassinate animation.

    I conducted a personal experiment and found myself doing more single target dmg with bstep+assassinate regardless of presence of buffs like se, echo. Did multiple trials over course of few days by doing solo shaolin without meso explosion. I had much faster records for bstep+assassinate than assassinate only every single time.
     
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    Interesting. Did you use Assassinate vs the main Shaolin and seperate the clones from him? I usually let them stacked and use Bstep only for a greater amount of iframes, thus less knockback.

    And also regarding your Dark sight animation question. I think there's only a minor delay, if any at all going from Bstep into darksight.

    So yep. If facing a solo target i'd just use Assassinate into Bstep. I think the iframes you gain from bstep make up for the minimal DPS loss you face when using Assassinate (without SE) only.
     
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    Also I conducted a test with multiple trials, but in 30 seconds you use 19-20 Assassinate and 16-17 Bstep+Assassinate.

    This clearly tells about the significance of that dark sight canceling bstep animation.
     

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